Clearly impressions differ but the one that touches the most nerves is PRICE inflation...

Apr 17, 2008,21:51 PM
 

I was resistant to inflame the feeling here about prices but I wanted to put into perspective or reality check for watch brands - who ever is listening.

In Singapore, we have the reputation of having the worlds most expensive cars. I can only think of one city that has more expensive cars but without going into details (e.g. a Toyota Vios - costs in excess of US$40K on the road), just believe me they are very expensive here - and they have a limited life of 10 years of use. Basic economics tells us that rational people will look at opportunity cost in the use of limited resources.

Many collectors have in context of lifestyle spent their liquid cash on watches instead of cars or other luxuries because its not a depreciating asset if spent wisely (of course there are speculators who believe there is a killing to be made). There had been some nice and affordable pieces that did not hurt their pockets too badly - all in comparison with the alternative lifestyle products.

But now new pieces coming from the luxury brands are nearing the prices of cars here (again, world's most expensive cars). Then those who are rational will step back - esp. those who really understand that these items are really not investments afterall but bouyed by secondary market of those who want the pieces (that 'WANT' can easily disappear permanently when recession finally hits).

There is a theory that there is no limit how high luxury goods can escalate as the spending behaviour of the super wealthy cannot be measured within normal economic models/theory/laws. Unfortunately for the brands, the world is not populated by the super wealthy.

Yet as mentioned earlier here by others, there seem to be a irrational belief by the brands that the nouveau riche coming along whether they are new professionals in US or Singapore or even the new rich in Russia and China will readily buy up the excess output of luxury pieces. For their sake, I hope their marketing machinery works. Otherwise, I believe those who are professional and rich - who have some level of intelligence that gave them their wealth - will wake up to realise that there are other smarter ways to spend their riches on luxury.

One more time - How many high end cars are made each year? How many luxury watches made each year? How much each product take to produce and the margin of profit?

I hope the brands and new buyers will step back and do a reality check for their own sake. The sooner the new buyers pause (consider buying in the secondary market if the itch is unbearable!) and hold back the sooner the brands will stop the price inflation.

Thanks for reading this. smile

Cheers
Harry

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Your impressions of BASEL/SIHH 2008?

 
 By: Horolographer : April 16th, 2008-18:22
Now that they much anticipated horological event of the year has ended, I thought about the trends and impressions of the new watches I have from the reports and images shared. It looks like there were several common themes from a few brands. First is the... 

Likewise...

 
 By: Rob : April 16th, 2008-18:52

Everybody's going upscale.

 
 By: mkvc : April 16th, 2008-20:54
I wasn't there personally, but it appears that every company has decided that whatever the customers were expected to spend before, now they should spend twice that. They are doing their best to present the upscaling as being based on improvements to qual... 

You are so right.

 
 By: ling5hk : April 17th, 2008-16:16

SIHH brands are marking time until......

 
 By: MTF : April 17th, 2008-02:55
the next SIHH with revised timings. SIHH has vowed to get each year's novelties out to the buying public within the same year of introduction i.e. while they are still novelties and also before December because 30% of annual sales happen in the 2 weeks be... 

Some impressions

 
 By: amanico : April 17th, 2008-03:17
As for Basel, I will make it short, as I wasn't there... Bu t we had a fantastic team who covered in a perfect way the event, so I have few ideas... I expected more from UN, and I'm a bit decieved with the only real new interesting watch they presented, t... 

Price...

 
 By: nickd : April 17th, 2008-07:56
Salut Nicolas, Price isn't a problem so long as there are people out there willing to pay it. I've no idea how many such people are out there and how big the market is. So long as the brands are selling I see no problem. They don't owe anyone the right to... 

No problemo, Nickd

 
 By: amanico : April 17th, 2008-09:50
I just think that it's sad if some true passionate can not anymore pay themselves a nice watch only because of an insane raise of price... As fpr the rules of the market, I agree with you.Manufcatures are working to get some profit, and that also have som... 

Hi Nicolas, IMHO, JLC's price is NOT fair.

 
 By: ling5hk : April 17th, 2008-16:27
It is merely RELATIVELY cheaper than others. Sorry if I sound a bit too harsh. This is not only my opinion. This is also the unanimous or 100% view of the collectors (not less than 20) whom I know. Yesterday evening, we were honoured to be invited by JLC ... 

I hear you, Ling, but expensive compared to what other watch?

 
 By: amanico : April 17th, 2008-21:17
Which is an Automatic Diver watch, with an In Hpouse movement, and alarm??? What are the TRUE contendants to the POlaris? How can you rate the price, and what are the factrs of the comparison? In an other way, making a re edition is sometimes by far more ... 

Hi Nicolas, I said JLC watches are relatively cheaper.

 
 By: mokling : April 17th, 2008-23:31
Certainly, they are not the most expensive watches by comparison but they also cannot be considered "cheap/fair" in any circumstances. The Mamovox Polaris is priced at approx. USD15k plus. It is not expensive? How difficult can it be to produce that watch... 

Clearly impressions differ but the one that touches the most nerves is PRICE inflation...

 
 By: Horolographer : April 17th, 2008-21:51
I was resistant to inflame the feeling here about prices but I wanted to put into perspective or reality check for watch brands - who ever is listening. In Singapore, we have the reputation of having the worlds most expensive cars. I can only think of one... 

couldnt agree

 
 By: DaMctosh : April 18th, 2008-09:21
more with you harry. price inflation is tremendous (and we're not taling about food and commodities here! ). i just saw the sinn u1000 chrono today and was shocked that it now costs more than US$6.5k list! jlc polaris msrp is about euro10k. i cant help bu... 

sorry but

 
 By: DaMctosh : April 18th, 2008-09:23